Atheist doctors more likely to kill you

3 Sep

Here is a lovely little bit of spin from The Guardian:

“Doctors who are atheist or agnostic are twice as likely to take decisions that might shorten the life of somebody who is terminally ill as doctors who are deeply religious – and doctors with strong religious convictions are less likely even to discuss such decisions with the patient, according to Professor Clive Seale, from the centre for health sciences at Barts and the London school of medicine and dentistry.”

The Guardian has taken a study that puts religious doctors in a bad light, and twisted it to make atheist doctors look like they’re going to kill you. The not so subtle message they’re trying to send is “Atheists don’t care about human life because they are less moral than religious doctors, and thus they have fewer qualms about killing you.” What the original study highlighted was the fact that religious doctors are more likely to try and prolong a person’s suffering, regardless of the patient’s wishes. “doctors with strong religious convictions are less likely even to discuss such decisions with the patient…”, whereas an atheist doctor is twice as likely to be open an honest with the patient while understanding that at some point you’re not prolonging life as much as you’re prolonging dying.  Way to go Guardian, way to go….

Personally, I’d refuse to see a doctor who held strong religious convictions. I don’t want somebody who thinks their patients will go to heaven if they mess up. More importantly I want a doctor who makes judgments based on the evidence presented to him, not on faith. I also don’t want a doctor deceiving me on all the possible treatment options because they happen to have religious convictions against some of them. I think it’s really ironic that religious doctors would fight so hard to prolong a person’s death. What are they afraid of? According to them the person will be going to a place of eternal happiness. Why delay them? (The fact is, death really scares religious people. That’s why they’ve invented this comforting delusion that when they die, they don’t really die.) The whole thing really makes me wonder about how they value life. It seems to me they value life in the sense that life is anything “alive”, and I use alive very loosely.

A perfect example is the Terri Schiavo case.

Back in 1990 Terri collapsed in her home from cardiac arrest and suffered severe brain damage due to a lack of oxygen. Doctors examined her and declared her a vegetable. They tried for two years to bring her back, despite her vegetable status, but nothing worked. He grieving husband finally had to make the decision to pull the plug and let his wife go. Terri’s parents, however, didn’t want to let go. They prolonged the battle another 13 years. When a Florida judge finally said enough is enough, and ordered the plug pulled, the pro-“life” movement swung into action along with the rest of conservative America.

Thankfully the pro-“life” side lost and Terri was let go; the 15 year long nightmare ended. After Terri’s death doctors preformed an autopsy and confirmed that Terri had been a vegetable all along. There is a big difference between being “alive” and “living”. An unconscious organism is technically alive, yes, but it is not living. To the pro-“lifers”, the bar for living is set so low, that anything alive needs to be protected. If they want to keep comatose people going and prevent women from aborting a mass of cells in her womb, then by their standards they should decry the use of anti-bacterial hand sanitizer. They should see farmers harvesting their crops as genocidal maniacs. Seriously, if we’re going to set the bar for “life” this low, you might as well be consistent.

7 Responses to “Atheist doctors more likely to kill you”

  1. teo September 14, 2010 at 1:29 pm #

    You just nailed it! I just don’t want to imagine how religious people feel after reading this article, may be soon there will be “religious hospitals” and “atheistic hospitals”…

  2. godlesspaladin September 14, 2010 at 1:35 pm #

    I’m not sure how things are in Bulgaria and Germany, but here there are plenty of “religious hospitals”. In the heavily religious part of the country that I live in, the religious hospitals greatly out number the state run hospitals. We took my grandmother to the nearest hospital when she got cancer (it was religious) and it had religious symbols, bible passages, and sayings all over the place. Many of the religious hospitals here will refuse to preform some procedures (usually procedures related to women’s health) because they object to it religiously. For example, if a woman is raped and taken to hospital, the religious hospital might refuse to give her the “morning after” pill to prevent her from getting pregnant from the rape. They feel this is like an abortion, and that they have the right to force the woman to carry her rapist’s child and give birth to it.

  3. teo September 15, 2010 at 11:50 am #

    That’s not good news, Paladin.

    Actually in Germany there are “religious” (catholic) hospitals and other organisations, but not like the ones you’re talking about. They get money from the church and stuff, idk, but otherwise they’re like normal hospitals – they’ll never refuse to help you depending on their religious believe, that you don’t share. E.g. even a catholic foundation would support me and other non-catholics too, or at least most of them say so.

    What I find even weirder is, that you say that religious people consider the “morning after pill” an abortion, wile as far as I know the catholic church consider it wrong to have an abortion only after the baby has a soul (for female embryos after 30-40 days and for male embryos after 80-90 days). While that “rule” is discriminating and kind of stupid, it’s definitely at least a religious argument for not forbidding the “morning after pill”…

  4. godlesspaladin September 15, 2010 at 1:16 pm #

    I wonder how they decided upon the 30-40 day mark. Can they detect the soul after that period of time? :p Here there are a lot of people who feel that the female egg has a soul the moment it is fertilized by a sperm. There are also those who feel that since every egg and sperm is sacred that using contraception is murder because it stops the creation of life.

    There is this prominent TV show host who had to use a fertility clinic to have a baby, but because she believes every egg has a soul, she’s paid to have the extra eggs frozen forever, instead of letting them die like they normally would. <.<

    Yesterday we had a couple of elections across the country within the conservative party to decide which candidates the conservative party would support when the real elections happen in November. In the state of Delaware the winner was this insane lady who feels masturbation is a sin and points to the bible which says it's better to rape someone than "spill your seed on the ground"…..the stupidity…it hurts…

  5. teo September 16, 2010 at 1:16 am #

    As said – that “rule” is stupid, but it’s an religious argument for allowing birth control and the “morning after pill”.

    “contraception is murder because it stops the creation of life.” – well that’s just… so my period is also a sin, because an egg dies without being fertilized?

    “it’s better to rape someone than “spill your seed on the ground” – the winner, really? That’s not simple stupidity, that’s dangerous stupidity. What would stop a rapist according to that and theoretically he should even become a lesser judgment than someone who masturbated once!?!? And you’ve read the bible as far as I know, if we live like it says there we’re done…

    OMG, really, stories like this help me a lot in deciding that living in the US is not a good idea for the future…

  6. godlesspaladin September 16, 2010 at 2:12 am #

    Haha, yeah, why do you think my plan is to emigrate as soon as possible? ~_^ Now the vast majority of Americans don’t believe in this shit, but the small group that does is pretty politically successful. Right now in American politics the conservative party is splitting between the normal establishment, and the super crazies. Unfortunately the super crazies are winning out. (Which might be a good thing, it might make it easier for the liberals to get elected) But if the super crazies get elected in November, they can really do some damage all around the country.

    The scariest is people like Sarah Palin, she’s super crazy and thinks Jesus will come back before she dies. (She also thinks our wars in the middle east are “god’s will”.) There is a video on youtube of her church pastor praying over her to protect her from demons before she ran her campaign for governor of Alaska. She’s part of a group of American politicians that feel they have a checklist of things they need to do to make Jesus come back. Starting WWIII in the middle east is one of them…. <.<

  7. teo September 16, 2010 at 6:15 am #

    That’s really just crazy… I don’t understand why the “modern” religious people are becoming more radical even than the religious people who created the religion…

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