A: You can’t be moral without god
B: Yes you can. I’m moral and I don’t believe in god.
A: According to my system of morality you’re not moral
B: Well then according to my system of morality you’re not moral.
A: Yes I am, my system is god’s system!
B: Really? And do you have any evidence for this god?
A: You simply must believe, evidence is not needed
B: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
A: Well, what evidence do you have to support your morality?
B: My morality is based on reality. Rape, murder, and stealing is wrong because it is detrimental to the survival of the community as a whole. Plus, these acts are just naturally repulsive to me.
Something else to think about. Here is a situation, who is more moral?
Person A comes across person X who needs $100 to feed their children. Person A simply gives person X the $100 without expecting anything in return.
Person B comes across person X, but is told by person Y that if they do not give person X the $100 to feed their children they will be brutally killed. Naturally afriad of punishment, person B gives person X the $100.
Person C comes across person X, and this time person Y says that if they do not give person X the money, they will brutally kill them, however, person Y tells person C that if they do give person X the money they will receive an all expense paid vacation to the destination of their choice.
Who is the more moral one?