Why do you hate America?

28 Jun

First off, I don’t hate America, but I hate what conservatives think it is, or what it should be. This country was founded by liberal deists, not conservative christians. At the time of its founding, the United States was one of the most liberal countries on the planet. A bill of rights? Freedom of religion? Of press? Of speech? No way! Wow. They were rebelling against a conservative state. A state with a monarchy, an established church, a state where the basic human right of freedom of expression was not guaranteed. No, there was a reason why the conservatives in the revolution were loyalists to the crown. After the revolution they sought to make the country more like Great Britain. Luckily after the war of 1812 they became politically irrelevant….for a time.

The conservatives really think they own this country. That god gave it to them and that these liberal scumbags are trying to usurp it out from under them. They’d love an America where gun owning was mandatory, along with membership to a protestant church. An America where anybody who was not white or male could not vote. Hell, what they really want America to resemble is the South during the Civil War. It’s not surprising since the biggest base of the conservative party is poorly educated, angry white southern men. (The modern republican party that is, not Lincoln’s republicans. The modern GOP was formed when LBJ signed the Voting Rights Act in 1965, all the southern democrats, appalled that everyone should be allowed to vote, left to form a new republican base in the south)

I hate this image of America. Presently the republicans don’t give a shit about the environment, or the fact that we’re rapidly killing the planet, and ourselves. Their knee jerk reaction to any foreign problem is to bomb the hell out of it. Republicans are great for fighting wars. It’s a useful way to channel all that rage they have, but they absolutely suck when it comes to making peace.

For example, Obama’s policy on the Middle East. Obama wants to try engaging leaders there by talking, and admitting that America has made mistakes. He’s showing humility. The conservatives are furious over this. They are so prideful they can’t stand the idea that they’re great America, the greatest nation on earth, could make a mistake. The people in the Middle East however are stunned that for the first time in a long long time, the US is showing them respect instead of arrogance. What happens a few weeks later? A pro-American party wins election in Lebanon. The conservatives don’t know how to live with people, only how to kill them.

My image of the modern day conservative is of some white cowbow in a hummer, tearing up a wildlife refuge, shooting birds from his truck, while downing a beer that sits under a crucifix hanging from the rear view mirror. If this is America then I hate it.

The America I love is humble, respects human rights and human dignity. In my ideal America looks more like a cross between modern day France and Sweden. Secular with a government that takes care of those less fortunate. A place where corrupt politicians are not tolerated. Where the environment is respected and ignorance discouraged. I love how the French government is scared of its people. If the French people don’t like something, they riot till it’s fixed. I wished the American people scared the US government like that, not the other way around.

7 Responses to “Why do you hate America?”

  1. Sonic Charmer June 28, 2009 at 9:14 pm #

    First off, I don’t hate America, but I hate what conservatives think it is, or what it should be.

    I’m a conservative and I think America should be a democratic republic with a limited government that protects individuals’ rights to life, liberty and property.

    You hate that, do ya?

    They’d love an America where gun owning was mandatory, along with membership to a protestant church. An America where anybody who was not white or male could not vote. Hell, what they really want America to resemble is the South during the Civil War.

    I’d hate all that. Nice straw-man though. Creative. I especially like the part where you conjure up in your imagination the idea that conservatives want America to resemble the South “during” the Civil War. You mean when the North was overrunning them, burning cities, and salting their fields? 😉

    I hate this image of America.

    The one you made-up and pretended other people long for? I hate it too. But so then why did you make it up in the first place?

    What happens a few weeks later? A pro-American party wins election in Lebanon.

    Which had…what, exactly, to do with Obama?

    Your vision of America strikes me as very arrogant and America-centric. According to you, when people in the Middle East go to their elections to vote for their governors, the main influence on them is…stuff the United States’s President said.

    This America-centric attitude of yours doesn’t really show a whole lot of respect for the individuality, autonomy, independence, and freethinking of people in the Middle East, IMHO.

    My image of the modern day conservative is of some white cowbow in a hummer, tearing up a wildlife refuge, shooting birds from his truck, while downing a beer that sits under a crucifix hanging from the rear view mirror.

    By “image” you meant “prejudiced stereotype”, apparently.

    Do you actually know any real, live conservatives, or do you just form your opinion of them based on stereotypes you create in your imagination?

    A place where corrupt politicians are not tolerated.

    You think/imagine that corrupt politicians are somehow “not tolerated” in France and Sweden? Sounds like you know no more about France and Sweden than you do about conservatives.

    I love how the French government is scared of its people. If the French people don’t like something, they riot till it’s fixed.

    A curious reading of French history to say the least. What got “fixed” after the most recent round of car-fires and banlieu riots, I wonder? Do tell.

  2. The Center Square June 28, 2009 at 9:47 pm #

    Reading most of this post, I was not totally with you. I am not quite so cynical as to think that pride drives all conservatives, or that their sole skill is in killing people they don’t lie. While despising much of what passes these days for modern conservative thought, I do think much of it is sincere. That, of course, only makes it worse; but I feel a little better. And, I do think there is an important caution to be had as to fiscal responsibility in government, however utterly the Republican party has failed in that regard.

    Then, I came to the last paragraph of this post. There, you hit it out of the park (or, swap in a more European metaphor, if you wish). I adore having a secular government, however Christian be our majority.

    “I love how the French government is scared of its people.” Exactly! If there is a single, root cause of so much that is wrong in America today, it is the contempt that politicians of all political persuasions have for the American electorate. And you know what? It is contempt we have earned. We send the same stupid-ass morons back to Congress time and again. This is a country where no violation of ethics is a sure bet end to a political career.

    You are correct: Our government correctly judges us to be unworthy of fear.

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  3. The Center Square June 28, 2009 at 9:48 pm #

    Correction: “…killing people they don’t like.”

  4. godlesspaladin June 29, 2009 at 11:35 am #

    Sonic Charmer, yes, I will admit that I am guilty of some straw manning. You make several good points. My “image” of conservatives is actually drawn from the ones I know personally. Now given, there are MANY different types of conservatives, a lot who would not fit my above “image”, but the ones I’ve seen around here in the South seem to fit. (Given, none of them would be doing all of those things at once, it was more of a Frankenstein mix)

    As for the Middle East thing, I was implying that because of Obama’s speech in Cairo,where he explained that the cowboy “diplomacy” of the previous administration was over, our image in that region is improving. The elections in Lebanon are a symptom of that. I don’t think any pro-western government would have been elected in that country if Bush was still in power and we were still seen as the great satan imposing our will on the region.

  5. godlesspaladin June 29, 2009 at 11:38 am #

    I will also admit that this post was rather hasty, written in anger, and not very well thought out. I apologize for that and I’m not very proud of it.

  6. Sonic Charmer June 29, 2009 at 12:50 pm #

    My “image” of conservatives is actually drawn from the ones I know personally.

    Well if I formed my judgment of leftism based on the worst exemplars I know, you’d call that unfair too.

    In any event, I find it hard to believe that you personally know conservatives who wish membership in a Protestant church to be mandatory for all. At best this is gross hyperbole and you probably know it.

    …our image in that region is improving. The elections in Lebanon are a symptom of that.

    You have no basis for believing that. Again, it is exceedingly America-centric and arrogant to assume that how Lebanese people vote in their elections is primarily influenced by what they think of a faraway country called the United States of America.

    I don’t think any pro-western government would have been elected in that country if Bush was still in power

    You have no basis for believing that.

    and we were still seen as the great satan imposing our will on the region.

    What makes you think we are not still seen as the great satan imposing our will on the region? Of course we are.

  7. Zzarchov July 5, 2009 at 9:38 pm #

    A few asides as a Canuck and every story has two sides. One, the bill of rights was mostly just restating that the English bill of rights from over a century earlier still applied. Two if you read the greviences you notice a major one was that the King of England refused to let American Colonists shoot First Nations and steal their land. The king was pretty reasonable too, just don’t steal the land of First Nations who signed a treaty with the Empire. This is why the 6 nations confederacy (a democracy) fought on the Loyalist side and were by and large forced out of their country to settle in Canada (with the other United Empire Loyalists).

    There is always another side to the story.

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