The pope and condoms

17 Mar

Well, the pope is at it again. He’s in Africa preaching the evils of condom use. In the most AIDs ridden part of the planet he’s denouncing condoms as “not the answer.” This is appalling because condoms are the most effective strategy to fighting AIDs according to the World Health Organization. When used correctly condoms can prevent an infection 98-99% of the time!

The pope’s answer? Just don’t have sex. How realistic. Just come on in Africa and try to impose your twisted ideas of sex and morality of a people suffering from a humanitarian crisis. People are going to have sex. They always have and always will. That’s a fact! Ideally the pope would like all the Africans to have christian marriages, join the catholic church, have copious amounts of children, and pay as big of a tithe as possible to fill his coffers. Not going to happen.

What the pope is doing is nothing short of encouraging mass death and suffering in the name of his fucked up ideas on sexuality and his invisible make believe god. As such he should be arrested and tried for crimes against humanity.

6 Responses to “The pope and condoms”

  1. xmasfish March 17, 2009 at 4:24 pm #

    Heres what I don’t undersand:

    The Pope comes over and condemns the usage of condoms- in your opinion, people listen to him and this causes people to die from AIDS. You say he is:

    “What the pope is doing is nothing short of encouraging mass death and suffering in the name of his fucked up ideas on sexuality and his invisible make believe god. As such he should be arrested and tried for crimes against humanity.”

    Now, you accept that if The Pope says these things, people will follow suit. If this were NOT the case, then people would use condoms anyway and the Pope would not be guilty of the crimes you’ve listed above.

    Agreed?

    Now, the Pope also tells them not to have extra-marital sex. However, you claim that people will NOT listen to this because “People are going to have sex. They always have and always will. That’s a fact!”

    My question is: what makes you think that someone will listen to the Popes teaching on condoms, yet ignore his teaching on extra-marital sex? Unless someone does this very thing, the Pope is NOT guilty of the crimes you’ve suggested. Now, you can claim that the Pope is doing little good- this is fine. But you actually insinuate that he is the direct CAUSE of death by AIDS and unless you can demonstrate this to be the case (i.e. show how people accept his teachings on condoms yet reject his teachings on extr-marital sex)you are slandering someone in the worst way possible.

  2. shamelesslyatheist March 17, 2009 at 10:14 pm #

    “My question is: what makes you think that someone will listen to the Popes teaching on condoms, yet ignore his teaching on extra-marital sex?”

    Simple. Human nature.

    It is well-known from studies of condom use that condoms are an effective way to limit the spread of HIV (contrary to some of the Vatican’s more irresponsible press releases) and do not have any effect on sexual promiscuity (it will take more than the pope’s wishful thinking to change that). Especially when men are looking for an excuse to NOT use condoms.

    But this is a case where religion deals with what ought when it should be dealing with what is. There is NO effective health care plan for AIDS-stricken Africa that does not include promoting condom use. To think that they will change the sexual practices of a whole continent is not only wishful thinking, it is negligent homicide. If the Vatican could possibly have chosen a less effective way of dealing with the epidemic which actually impedes the efforts of health care workers I can’t imagine it.

    So, yes. I agree that the pope is at least morally responsible for the death of millions of people. If one can do something PROVEN to be effective, yet advocate another plan with absolutely no chance of effectively stemming the tide of disease, then this is irresponsible and reprehensible behavior.

    An analogy would be the case last year where a young teen girl died from diabetes (an easily treated condition) because her parents decided to substitute something that would work (i.e., medical treatment) with something that has no proven value (prayer only). The parents are on trial now for negligent homicide. I see no difference.

  3. godlesspaladin March 19, 2009 at 12:08 pm #

    I think this is wonderful, France and Germany are rebuking the Pope for his stance:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29757969/

  4. jb March 22, 2009 at 3:36 pm #

    ‘We have found no consistent associations between condom use and lower HIV-infection rates, which, 25 years into the pandemic, we should be seeing if this intervention was working.”

    So notes Edward C. Green, director of the AIDS Prevention Research Project at the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies, in response to papal press comments en route to Africa this week.

    Benedict XVI said, in response to a French reporter’s question asking him to defend the Church’s position on fighting the spread of AIDS, characterized by the reporter as “frequently considered unrealistic and ineffective”:

    I would say that this problem of AIDS cannot be overcome with advertising slogans. If the soul is lacking, if Africans do not help one another, the scourge cannot be resolved by distributing condoms; quite the contrary, we risk worsening the problem. The solution can only come through a twofold commitment: firstly, the humanization of sexuality, in other words a spiritual and human renewal bringing a new way of behaving towards one another; and secondly, true friendship, above all with those who are suffering, a readiness — even through personal sacrifice — to be present with those who suffer. And these are the factors that help and bring visible progress.

    “The pope is correct,” Green told National Review Online Wednesday, “or put it a better way, the best evidence we have supports the pope’s comments. He stresses that “condoms have been proven to not be effective at the ‘level of population.’”

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTNlNDc1MmMwNDM0OTEzMjQ4NDc0ZGUyOWYxNmEzN2E=

  5. godlesspaladin March 27, 2009 at 10:10 pm #

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29916831/

  6. jb April 3, 2009 at 8:15 pm #

    why trust the lancet ?

    especially if they are only occasionally right?

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