Chinese atheism….

4 Feb

So just a moment ago I overheard my girlfriend’s extremely religious friend recount her missionary trip to China. She told of a very emotional moment for her, standing on some tower where it was ok for christianity to be taught, looking across the border into a region where christianity was illegal, where you could be killed for it. She was handing out bibles to the Chinese people, who she said would sit down and avidly read it.

What do I think of this? Well, I hate proselytizing, and I doubt all the Chinese are as eager about christianity as she makes them out to be, but I can’t help but feel bad for the Chinese.  Now I’d love a world without religion, but making religion illegal like the Chinese have is the wrong way to go. You can’t get rid of something by making it illegal. It didn’t work during prohibition, it doesn’t work for drugs, it doesn’t work for abortions, and it doesn’t work for religion. By making something illegal you only make the situation worse.

I have to wonder about the Chinese leaders. Most Atheists are humanists, at least the ones I know. A humanist would be appalled at the Chinese human rights violations. I think it comes down to the fact that there are good Atheists and bad, just like there are good theists and bad. I also think it has more to do with power rather than religion. I think it’s interesting that theists point to Atheist China and go “Look! Look how horrible they are!!!” Yes, the Chinese Atheist leaders are horrible. But blood for blood, Atheist China has only been around since 1946. Theism has been around for millenniums! How many more people have died from theism of some flavor or another? Certainly more than those killed in China. I’m not justifying what the Chinese do, I think it’s despicable, I’m just pointing out that it’s not an apples to apples case…

6 Responses to “Chinese atheism….”

  1. Sisyphus Fragment February 5, 2009 at 11:10 am #

    Dogma of any form is what causes trouble. That’s why their form of Communism (and all others that have been put in place by a country thus far) are terrible forms of government and don’t do anything good for the cause of atheism.

    Communism is dogma and atheism is just part of that dogma. A lot of less intelligent people like the two and don’t realize that atheism can in no way link to killing people.

  2. Doulos February 5, 2009 at 2:53 pm #

    Hey Sisyphus, just out of curiosity, what do you think would be the ‘best’ form of government and why?

  3. Sisyphus Fragment February 5, 2009 at 4:15 pm #

    Probably some form of lite-socialism. I personally think governments should take care of it’s citizenry to an extent. People generally aren’t willing to help out their fellow man enough and I think that is where govt. needs to step in. We have a very huge homeless problem here in the states and charities simply aren’t getting enough money (or are misusing that money, company jets come to mind) to help the issue.

    But I’m no political scientist, just a layman.

  4. Doulos February 5, 2009 at 6:38 pm #

    I actually agree with you. Have you heard of communitarianism? You -might- be interested in it. Anyways, sorry paladin for getting off topic!

  5. godlesspaladin February 5, 2009 at 6:42 pm #

    Haha, no problem. 🙂

  6. Eduardo Costa January 26, 2010 at 12:46 pm #

    My son is very fond of China. Therefore, he (temporarily) moved to China, and is working on a government enterprise. I noticed that there is no action against religious people in China. Of course, there is no such a thing as tele-evangelist.

    Anyway, my son does what he wants, speaks what he wants (even things against the governement, if he wants to). In fact, he does things that would earn him a few days in jail, if done in the United States (I will not go into details). My son and I lived in the United States for a long period ( I graduated from Cornel, earned a PhD there, and was a visiting professor at Utah State University). I can assure you: There is much more freedom of speech in China than in the United States. Life for atheists is not easy in the United States. Even religious people often have a bad time. For instance, a Hindu friend was distributing pamphlets of photographs of a slaughter house, and the police arrested him. There were many people distributing pamphleteers in the same place; none was arrested, but my friend. The police claim that his pamphleets were shocking! The same man told me that, when he was a student in Beijing, he distributed the same kind of pamphlets in front of Brazilian restaurants. One day, he received a visit of an official, who asked him about the contents of the pamphleets. Then the official suggested him to add a small note, saying that the pictures were not taken inside Chinese slaughterhouses. He also suggested that a note on health and economic benefits of vegetarianism would be welcome.

    People often tell me: “Your son should move to China, if he thinks the country is so good.” In fact, he did move to China. When he says something against the government, there is a polite invitation for him to leave the subject for some later time (after the Olympic Games, for instance), when it will not cause social unrest. That is all.

    Of course, perfect freedom is not possible. Chinese government must be careful to prevent social unrest that can cause thousands of deaths.

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